Schumer's speech

Folks like the 60 year old lady will be drawn to these kind of things. It doesn't mean the protests are being controlled or directed by Jihadists or Hamas. I'd guess that a lot of the folks that have said positive things about Hamas in this country are just unfamiliar with their terrorist background. Heck before Oct. 7 Netanyahu seemed to like and support Hamas. He should have known better.

Anyway, I'm still looking for an article that comes close to supporting Lerner's scary sounding words with actual news rather than plain old fearful thinking.

 

Articles on Lisa Fithian
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna150261

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13375673/amp/professional-protester-columbia-university-nyc-lisa-fithian.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2024/05/01/us-news/professional-protester-lisa-fithians-past-ties-to-anti-israel-work/amp/

 

An article about outside agitators.

47% of those arrested at the Columbia protests were not students. Well over 50 % of those arrested at CUNY were not students.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/nyc-officials-allege-agitators-opting-columbia-university-protest/story?id=109821934

 

Apparently Hamas attack survivors are suing campus protestors.

https://www.newsweek.com/hamas-attack-survivors-sue-student-protesters-1896451

 

One of the organizing elements of the protests (Students for Justice in Palestine)

"....national leadership of Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP) and many of the organization’s campus chapters explicitly endorsed the actions of Hamas and their armed attacks on Israeli civilians and voiced an increasingly radical call for confronting and “dismantling” Zionism on U.S. college campuses. Some SJP chapters issued pro-Hamas messaging and/or promoted violent anti-Israel messaging channels. "

There was also a “Day of Resistance Toolkit” in which SJP made clear that it advocates for Hamas or other Palestinian forces to conquer all of Israel, and for the “complete liberation” of Israel and the full influx of Palestinians to Israeli land. The toolkit also called for chapters to bring this resistance to the U.S. by “dismantling Zionism” on its campuses and “challenging Zionist hegemony.”

Numerous SJP chapters released inflammatory statements in support of Palestinians seizing control of Israeli territory, including some which explicitly endorse the use of violence and attacks on civilians. “We reject the distinction between ‘civilian’ and ‘militant.’ We reject the distinction between ‘settler’ and ‘soldier,’” The George Washington University SJP wrote. “A settler is an aggressor, a soldier, and an occupier even if they are lounging on our occupied beaches.”

https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/students-justice-palestine-sjp

 

The instigators such as Muslim Brotherhood with Hamas are part of it been working and developing l, grooming the campuses just as Hamas built tunnels in Gaza in last 15+ years.
That's a fact.
Now you also need to take in to account the on line agitators, they are not only among the student bodies and the short list I posted earlier but they can be in Iran, Yement and any other location in US or Kremlin.
A lot been shared about the agitators.
Downplaying it is done for obvious reasons. Are there good nieve students? Yes ofcorse, many.
Seems like they are unmoved by killings in Sudan, Syria but be it in their university chapters, groups and on line the instigators and media set the protesters.

 

Blaming Hamas or Jihadist in general for the protests is silly. And this 64 year old lady that they're calling a professional agitator is not affiliated at all with the Jihadist movement or at least that's what the articles posted by Garp seem to indicate. The folks are generally protesting for reasons I've explained many times before. Because Netanyahu is a self serving horrible person that is causing mass destruction in Gaza. Folks have been watching death and destruction in Gaza for 6 months now. It is getting old and tiring and obviously nothing good is being accomplished. Except Bibi has managed to hang onto power because of it. I don't consider that good though, only the far-right-wing of Israeli politics seems to think it's good. So Bibi has to kill more Palestinians only about 34,000 isn't enough, I guess.

 

Blaming the instigators is not silly, and never been silly. Who is putting in the heads of students (brainwashed) the Palestinian agenda? Its the interest groups that I mentioned in earlier posts.
Media played its role, indeed Hamas knows how to manipulate the media.

Here is an interesting debate that took place in UK.

 

You keep claiming that Jihadists are instigating the protests here in the USA but continue to be unable to support your false claim with any reliable news source. You think the Jihadist have convinced me that Netanyahu is horrible for killing so many civilians? That is just silly. You keep saying things that don't make sense and posting highly unreliable videos and links.

 

@Bill Huffman

I think the "there is nothing to see here move along" approach isn't realistic or helpful. It is gaslighting others.

Clearly, in the NY case significant numbers of the "protestors" are not students. In case of Columbia nearly half and in the case of CUNY more than half.

Clearly people like Lisa Fithian are involved and directing some aspects of it.

Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP) are bad actors with pro Hamas messaging, an agenda that calls for wiping out Israel, and endorses violent attacks on civilians. It states there is no difference between a militant and a civilian.

These are regular news sources and entities like the Anti-Defamation League.

That doesn't even include any other groups, sources of funding, etc.

Believing that all of this is simply an organic student-led protest is not supported by the facts.

 

I don't really disagree with any of that. I was referring to the conspiracy theory that Lerner keeps espousing that the protests are generated by Jihadists. He has even made the claim that Hamas had these protests planned out prior to the October 7 attacks. He has not argued that Hamas is only pleased by the protests but that Hamas is somehow controlling and generating the protests.

 

My bad.

 

It's weird though. As far as I can tell, Hamas was pretty much on its own when it attacked Israel. Iran backs Hamas and launched a remarkably ineffective missile and drone attack and our good buddies in the region made not the slightest complaint about the use of their airspace except for Jordan. But that was all. Hezbollah, another Iranian client, has lobbed a few missiles but again, that's all.

Hamas and Gaza are apparently to be left to their fate by the Arab and Persian worlds.

Why?

 

I get why the Abbas kleptocracy is maintaining a splendid silence, a silence that might cost the Chief Kleptocrat his cushy job. If I understand correctly, Abbas is looking to take over the mis-government, or at least mal-administration, of Gaza once his deadly rival, Hamas, is destroyed by Israel. Whether that will play out is anyone's guess.

 

Protests are instigated, incited by the Jihadists, and other bad players.
It's a fact not a theory.
This is years in making.

 

Hamas attack was planned to come at a different time, the preparations of other Iranian upported militias was to attack Israel on multiple fronts.
Hamas in a way spoiled the bigger plan.
So all the ground work is years in making. Including grooming groups in US colleges, musks, and other organizations.

 

I feel that Israel has done much more damage in Gaza than was necessary. This would seem to be what is leading the protestors to protest in the first place. Have the Jihadists tricked me as well as the protestors?

 

Are protesters all one group?
There is a range of people among the protestors.
Naive, misinformed well meaning students is part of it.
Groups of Arabs and other migrants from Sudan etc, who clearly are adherents on different levels of Jihadi movements or grew up in environment where hate of Jews , Israelis, Zionists and others influenced them.
Non students who protest as well.
One needs good friends and Middle East mentality to survive in the Middle East.
Wake up before we loose US and our Democracy.
As to destruction in Gaza, one thing is that Lebanon and others are watching, do they want same destruction?

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/34-gop-senators-call-potential-163715539.html

"More than two dozen Republican senators are calling a potential proposal by President Biden to accept Palestinian refugees from Gaza a national security risk, following the administration’s acknowledgment that discussions are underway to help Palestinians in the U.S. bring families over from the region.

A letter rejecting the potential proposal was led by Sen. Joni Ernst (R-Iowa), the number three GOP leader, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and 33 colleagues.

It signals another avenue Republicans may try to attack Biden ahead of the November election."

I guess depends on #s.
But in general it's not good for the US, Those are the people who dance when US is forces are being bombed etc. Little children, I can see, they can get a different kind of education and be free of Islamist indoctrination. Elderly can see as well, out of mercy, relevé their suffering.

 

Military necessity is largely in the eye of the victorious beholder. My concern is some members of the current Israeli government have in the past called for the seizure of the whole of the land and the expulsion of its Arab population. Hamas' stupid attack may have given these people the opportunity they're seeking.